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]]> By: The Spirit of BarCamp (Part 2): Principles of REBarCamp | Notorious R.O.B. - Conversations on Marketing, Technology, Real Estate http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2252 The Spirit of BarCamp (Part 2): Principles of REBarCamp | Notorious R.O.B. - Conversations on Marketing, Technology, Real Estate Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:39:17 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2252 [...] part 1, we explored the controversies and the issues surrounding what a Real Estate BarCamp should or [...] [...] part 1, we explored the controversies and the issues surrounding what a Real Estate BarCamp should or [...]

]]> By: geordieromer http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2239 geordieromer Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:54:05 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2239 How much is it worth? At $500 my expectations become really high and of course some of the best minds and voices don't show up to share their ideas. To be honest, it's less about the money than it is the time. If there is value I will take a day away from my business and maybe even a few days for travel.<br><br>I think the REBC genie is out of the bottle and I don't think it will be coaxed back in. It has become a very large, free, educational workshop. I don't think you can turn it into something that fits the <a href="http://barcamp.org" rel="nofollow">barcamp.org</a> guidelines. That's too bad because that is what I think I would value the most. If other people find value in the current REBC format, more power to them. It's just a movement (like ActiveRain) that doesn't fit my needs or personality. How much is it worth? At $500 my expectations become really high and of course some of the best minds and voices don't show up to share their ideas. To be honest, it's less about the money than it is the time. If there is value I will take a day away from my business and maybe even a few days for travel.

I think the REBC genie is out of the bottle and I don't think it will be coaxed back in. It has become a very large, free, educational workshop. I don't think you can turn it into something that fits the barcamp.org guidelines. That's too bad because that is what I think I would value the most. If other people find value in the current REBC format, more power to them. It's just a movement (like ActiveRain) that doesn't fit my needs or personality.

]]> By: robhahn http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2238 robhahn Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:23 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2238 A question I have is this...<br><br>Take the "Advanced" crowd, of which you are part. Suppose I said I found an event that does exactly what you're suggesting -- lively, full participation, no lectures, no powerpoints, just people who know discussing with other people who know.<br><br>What's that worth to you? $500? $1000?<br><br>One of the factors leading to the explosive popularity of REBC is that it is FREE to attendees. What if that changed? Would anyone come?<br><br>-rsh A question I have is this…

Take the “Advanced” crowd, of which you are part. Suppose I said I found an event that does exactly what you're suggesting — lively, full participation, no lectures, no powerpoints, just people who know discussing with other people who know.

What's that worth to you? $500? $1000?

One of the factors leading to the explosive popularity of REBC is that it is FREE to attendees. What if that changed? Would anyone come?

-rsh

]]> By: geordieromer http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2237 geordieromer Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:53:58 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2237 Rob-<br>This is what I was trying to say in my post over at GeekEstate a while back.<br><br><a href="http://www.geekestateblog.com/barcamp-or-bored-camp/" rel="nofollow">http://www.geekestateblog.com/barcamp-or-bored-...</a><br><br>I think the problem with rebarcamps currently is the lack of participation. I've only been to 3, but I'm not interested in going to any more lectures or powerpoints. I want to be involved in discussions. I think the next Portland OR barcamp with its 2 day (overnight) on campus schedule should be interesting. Rob-
This is what I was trying to say in my post over at GeekEstate a while back.

http://www.geekestateblog.com/barcamp-or-bored-…

I think the problem with rebarcamps currently is the lack of participation. I've only been to 3, but I'm not interested in going to any more lectures or powerpoints. I want to be involved in discussions. I think the next Portland OR barcamp with its 2 day (overnight) on campus schedule should be interesting.

]]> By: missycaulk http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2236 missycaulk Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:35:06 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2236 I attended a BarCamp in Ann Arbor that has been going on for a couple of years, with A2Geeks. There was so much synergy in the rooms and groups. <br>One thing they said at the opening was, you are here to participate, if you go to a group and realize you are not getting anything out of it, or not what you expected, get up and move to a new group. They wanted to keep the synergy and discussions going. <br>They also just had people passing around yellow sticky notes and you wrote down a topic if you wanted to share and they put everyone in a spot. <br>It was a blast. <br>Good questions Rob, I think it is just growing pains. I was invited to speak at one in Charlotte, couldn't go due to my son's wedding but have been invited to the one in Grand Rapids and said yes. I would much rather just sit in a circle or on the floor and discuss. I am not interested in teaching or in hearing others teach. I can do that at conferences. <br>The beauty of ReBar camps is the interaction, which in my opinion is what made the first one so much fun. I attended a BarCamp in Ann Arbor that has been going on for a couple of years, with A2Geeks. There was so much synergy in the rooms and groups.
One thing they said at the opening was, you are here to participate, if you go to a group and realize you are not getting anything out of it, or not what you expected, get up and move to a new group. They wanted to keep the synergy and discussions going.
They also just had people passing around yellow sticky notes and you wrote down a topic if you wanted to share and they put everyone in a spot.
It was a blast.
Good questions Rob, I think it is just growing pains. I was invited to speak at one in Charlotte, couldn't go due to my son's wedding but have been invited to the one in Grand Rapids and said yes. I would much rather just sit in a circle or on the floor and discuss. I am not interested in teaching or in hearing others teach. I can do that at conferences.
The beauty of ReBar camps is the interaction, which in my opinion is what made the first one so much fun.

]]> By: andykaufman http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2234 andykaufman Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:29:24 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2234 Hey Rob- Great, thought provoking post. Let me attempt to answer the questions you posed.<br> <br># What goals are we trying to achieve with REBarCamps? <br>As organizers, I think we should strive to provide a friction-less setting where participants can<br>meet face to face with their peers who are passionate about the space can interact. As a participant, I want to meet people, strengthen relationships, learn & share knowledge without 'being sold'.<br><br># Who benefits from REBarCamps? Who should benefit from REBarCamps?<br>Participants who engage & add value throughout the day's activities should benefit the most from RE BarCamps. Whether it's not sharing, not really making an effort to connect w/ the other participants or not exercising the 'rule of two feet' to leave a session for a better opportunity; if you're not fully engaged, you're not maximizing your benefits.<br><br># What principles and rules help achieve the answers to the above questions?<br>I'm curious as to what others in the community think, but IMO a good start would be to remember that you don't attend a REBC, you participate in one. Hey Rob- Great, thought provoking post. Let me attempt to answer the questions you posed.

# What goals are we trying to achieve with REBarCamps?
As organizers, I think we should strive to provide a friction-less setting where participants can
meet face to face with their peers who are passionate about the space can interact. As a participant, I want to meet people, strengthen relationships, learn & share knowledge without 'being sold'.

# Who benefits from REBarCamps? Who should benefit from REBarCamps?
Participants who engage & add value throughout the day's activities should benefit the most from RE BarCamps. Whether it's not sharing, not really making an effort to connect w/ the other participants or not exercising the 'rule of two feet' to leave a session for a better opportunity; if you're not fully engaged, you're not maximizing your benefits.

# What principles and rules help achieve the answers to the above questions?
I'm curious as to what others in the community think, but IMO a good start would be to remember that you don't attend a REBC, you participate in one.

]]> By: joespake http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2231 joespake Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:29:00 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2231 Especially relevant and timely post, Rob. I like the Knows and Know Nots illustration - a spin on Cool Kids and non-Cool Kids, I guess. With each *camp I attend, I see less collaboration and idea sharing and more presentations without discussion. I have even heard presentations referred to as classes by attendees. For me, the best experiences of sharing, collaboration and openness has been out in the hall somewhere, impromptu meetings with strangers, rather than in the presentations. Especially relevant and timely post, Rob. I like the Knows and Know Nots illustration – a spin on Cool Kids and non-Cool Kids, I guess. With each *camp I attend, I see less collaboration and idea sharing and more presentations without discussion. I have even heard presentations referred to as classes by attendees. For me, the best experiences of sharing, collaboration and openness has been out in the hall somewhere, impromptu meetings with strangers, rather than in the presentations.

]]> By: Kathleen Buckley http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/12/22/come-forth-ye-spirit-of-barcamp-part-1/#comment-2229 Kathleen Buckley Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:49:06 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1573#comment-2229 What goals are we trying to achieve with REBarCamps?<br> In my mind REBarCamps aim to help RE Professionals learn about and leverage a wide range of new, largely technology driven tools to enhance performance. <br><br>Who benefits and who should benefit from REBarCamps?<br> Benefits are highly variable and subjectively determined. Not sure have much control anyone has over this. Ideally of course, *every* participant would benefit.<br><br>What principles and rules help achieve the answers to the above questions?<br> Since we don't really have control over the outcome (who benefits) we can only attempt to follow principles and rules conducive to a productive learning/knowledge sharing environment for all participants, whatever their pre-camp "level" might be. <br><br> On a practical level, and most importantly if these events are to continue in the future, the number 1 rule it seems to me *must* be: "if you’re organizing a REBarCamp, you do what works for you — again, within broad principles". S/he who volunteers calls the shots. What goals are we trying to achieve with REBarCamps?
In my mind REBarCamps aim to help RE Professionals learn about and leverage a wide range of new, largely technology driven tools to enhance performance.

Who benefits and who should benefit from REBarCamps?
Benefits are highly variable and subjectively determined. Not sure have much control anyone has over this. Ideally of course, *every* participant would benefit.

What principles and rules help achieve the answers to the above questions?
Since we don't really have control over the outcome (who benefits) we can only attempt to follow principles and rules conducive to a productive learning/knowledge sharing environment for all participants, whatever their pre-camp “level” might be.

On a practical level, and most importantly if these events are to continue in the future, the number 1 rule it seems to me *must* be: “if you’re organizing a REBarCamp, you do what works for you — again, within broad principles”. S/he who volunteers calls the shots.

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