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	<title>Comments on: Why Social Media Might Be All Hype After All</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel, the Real Estate Zebra</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/10/24/why-social-media-might-be-all-hype-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1950</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel, the Real Estate Zebra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work, Mr. Hahn, as usual.

You can&#039;t erase decades of legacy media influence on the human psyche in just a few years of twitter and blogging.  Those sources will still matter to most people, just less and less going forward.  The hierarchy of importance for media outlets has been well established for at least 2 generations of Americans.  That ain&#039;t gonna change overnight, no matter how many people reach Techcrunch or Mashable.  

Not to mention, much of the target audience for some of the folks who are in the social media consulting business are the type of folks who value those sources, so. . . 

I was interviewed and quoted for a Wall Street Journal article about twitter for business a few months back.  My Mom was thrilled, my mother-in-law was thrilled.  My initial reaction was that it was cool.  Then I saw the paper sitting on my kitchen counter and thought--  eh.  Five years from now, the reaction from the new generation of digital natives will probably be something along the lines of, &quot;so what?&quot;  

That article would lend me credibility among certain circles, and absolutely nothing among others. It&#039;s all a matter of which circle I would rather be in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work, Mr. Hahn, as usual.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t erase decades of legacy media influence on the human psyche in just a few years of twitter and blogging.  Those sources will still matter to most people, just less and less going forward.  The hierarchy of importance for media outlets has been well established for at least 2 generations of Americans.  That ain&#8217;t gonna change overnight, no matter how many people reach Techcrunch or Mashable.  </p>
<p>Not to mention, much of the target audience for some of the folks who are in the social media consulting business are the type of folks who value those sources, so. . . </p>
<p>I was interviewed and quoted for a Wall Street Journal article about twitter for business a few months back.  My Mom was thrilled, my mother-in-law was thrilled.  My initial reaction was that it was cool.  Then I saw the paper sitting on my kitchen counter and thought&#8211;  eh.  Five years from now, the reaction from the new generation of digital natives will probably be something along the lines of, &#8220;so what?&#8221;  </p>
<p>That article would lend me credibility among certain circles, and absolutely nothing among others. It&#8217;s all a matter of which circle I would rather be in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fanatics afterall - But not in the true meaning of the word if they doubt the medium and rely on other resources.  Leave it to Rob to unleash the Kryptonite (wink)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fanatics afterall &#8211; But not in the true meaning of the word if they doubt the medium and rely on other resources.  Leave it to Rob to unleash the Kryptonite (wink)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ines -

Heya darlin&#039; :)  Of course there can be a balance.  But not if the SM activists/leaders are claiming that Social Media is a Major Paradigm Shift that Changes Everything!!1!BBQ1!one!!

I&#039;ve always thought that the fundamental shift happened when the Internet became widespread back in 1996 or so (or earlier if you were on the pre-Netscape academic Internets).  But even then, marketing itself did not change so fundamentally.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard you say that social media means the end of business as usual; you&#039;ve always characterized it as yet another arrow in the quiver -- a very powerful one, but just another tool.  The leaders and the savants, on the other hand, hype the living crap out of social media.  Whuffie Factor is one of the prime examples.

I think if someone is going to talk the talk, then it&#039;s only fair to take a look at whether s/he is walking the walk.

-rsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ines -</p>
<p>Heya darlin&#8217; <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Of course there can be a balance.  But not if the SM activists/leaders are claiming that Social Media is a Major Paradigm Shift that Changes Everything!!1!BBQ1!one!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that the fundamental shift happened when the Internet became widespread back in 1996 or so (or earlier if you were on the pre-Netscape academic Internets).  But even then, marketing itself did not change so fundamentally.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard you say that social media means the end of business as usual; you&#8217;ve always characterized it as yet another arrow in the quiver &#8212; a very powerful one, but just another tool.  The leaders and the savants, on the other hand, hype the living crap out of social media.  Whuffie Factor is one of the prime examples.</p>
<p>I think if someone is going to talk the talk, then it&#8217;s only fair to take a look at whether s/he is walking the walk.</p>
<p>-rsh</p>
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		<title>By: ines</title>
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		<dc:creator>ines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob darling, you are such an extremist and that&#039;s why I love you.  But can&#039;t there be a balance?  Isn&#039;t Social Media another tool in our marketing bag of tricks?  I still do some traditional marketing and I look forward to being picked up by the local media and featured in the local paper and news channels. It means more eyes and a different type of exposure.

I totally get your point about the illuminati not being completely &quot;transparent&quot; (talk about a play-on-words) - and as much as I am a total SM activist, there is still a lot of hype and status associated with &quot;legacy media&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob darling, you are such an extremist and that&#8217;s why I love you.  But can&#8217;t there be a balance?  Isn&#8217;t Social Media another tool in our marketing bag of tricks?  I still do some traditional marketing and I look forward to being picked up by the local media and featured in the local paper and news channels. It means more eyes and a different type of exposure.</p>
<p>I totally get your point about the illuminati not being completely &#8220;transparent&#8221; (talk about a play-on-words) &#8211; and as much as I am a total SM activist, there is still a lot of hype and status associated with &#8220;legacy media&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit of an aside, but re: DISC and real estate agents not liking tracking and paperwork...

That is precisely why I advocate the BROKER (or the Admin/Operations staff in the case of teams) focus on tracking and metrics. :)  That would be one solid value that they can provide to the agent.

-rsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit of an aside, but re: DISC and real estate agents not liking tracking and paperwork&#8230;</p>
<p>That is precisely why I advocate the BROKER (or the Admin/Operations staff in the case of teams) focus on tracking and metrics. <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   That would be one solid value that they can provide to the agent.</p>
<p>-rsh</p>
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		<title>By: Benn/AG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benn/AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one said social media would destroy narcissism.</description>
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		<title>By: rob aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to measure. When doing print mailers, you knew exactly how much you spent in a year and how much business you did from it. Same with magazine ads, you would use an 800#, track the number of calls and then the number of transactions.

Now what and how do you track? How much money divided by tweets? 

I think the tracking will get better once people settle in more. Real Estate agents are typically D or I on the DISC and really do not like to be bothered with things like tracking and paperwork.

Do we start tracking our time and assigning a dollar value to the time? That is how phone prospecting is measured.

Of course RobH we would love for you to study and write about how to measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to measure. When doing print mailers, you knew exactly how much you spent in a year and how much business you did from it. Same with magazine ads, you would use an 800#, track the number of calls and then the number of transactions.</p>
<p>Now what and how do you track? How much money divided by tweets? </p>
<p>I think the tracking will get better once people settle in more. Real Estate agents are typically D or I on the DISC and really do not like to be bothered with things like tracking and paperwork.</p>
<p>Do we start tracking our time and assigning a dollar value to the time? That is how phone prospecting is measured.</p>
<p>Of course RobH we would love for you to study and write about how to measure.</p>
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		<title>By: Cutting the Crap &#8211; Social Media Deletes The Middleman &#124; BLACK DIAMOND DIGITAL &#124; LAS VEGAS DESIGN &#38; PHOTOGRAPHY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cutting the Crap &#8211; Social Media Deletes The Middleman &#124; BLACK DIAMOND DIGITAL &#124; LAS VEGAS DESIGN &#38; PHOTOGRAPHY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Design, Humor, News, Photography  Cutting the Crap &#8211; Social Media Deletes The MiddlemanI read an outstanding article on Rob Hahn&#8217;s blog today telling us that social media is all hyp... It was excellent. Please go read it when you can. While at Blogworld Expo last week, I attended [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Design, Humor, News, Photography  Cutting the Crap &#8211; Social Media Deletes The MiddlemanI read an outstanding article on Rob Hahn&#8217;s blog today telling us that social media is all hyp&#8230; It was excellent. Please go read it when you can. While at Blogworld Expo last week, I attended [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Malanowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Malanowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coke could probably stop all forms of advertising and still be OK at this point ... People like Chris Brogan tout have to tout traditional media sources because they&#039;re in the business of coaching businesses who have not yet embraced (or are trying to shift their mindset to) social media as a valid way to spend their marketing dollar.  In thay world a WSJ reference goes a lot farther than some blog&#039;s top 10 list.

Social media is perfect for real estate as our job is connecting people.  Since the Internet is the 1st stop for most home buyers, of course it is effective to have a voice and a presence where the clientele is.  Same thing for politicians.  When the big-boys see how the mom &amp; pops are succeeding with social media, it won&#039;t be long before you&#039;ll see tweets sponsored by Coke and Facebook sponsored by Revlon :)

I&#039;m sure it took awhile for the covered wagon companies to change their business model when the automobile came about but the smart ones started building chassis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coke could probably stop all forms of advertising and still be OK at this point &#8230; People like Chris Brogan tout have to tout traditional media sources because they&#8217;re in the business of coaching businesses who have not yet embraced (or are trying to shift their mindset to) social media as a valid way to spend their marketing dollar.  In thay world a WSJ reference goes a lot farther than some blog&#8217;s top 10 list.</p>
<p>Social media is perfect for real estate as our job is connecting people.  Since the Internet is the 1st stop for most home buyers, of course it is effective to have a voice and a presence where the clientele is.  Same thing for politicians.  When the big-boys see how the mom &amp; pops are succeeding with social media, it won&#8217;t be long before you&#8217;ll see tweets sponsored by Coke and Facebook sponsored by Revlon <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it took awhile for the covered wagon companies to change their business model when the automobile came about but the smart ones started building chassis!</p>
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		<title>By: Linsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be so hard on the &#039;leaders of our nascent little movement&#039;.  While there is significant momentum in social media, there are still huge numbers of eyes on CNN - maybe even their parents.  While they may be famous at a Blogworld conference, it&#039;s kind of fun to see that the rest of the world might just realize how &#039;cool&#039; they really are.

And for those considering stepping into this &#039;new&#039; space with more than a little trepidation, I think it&#039;s fair to say they are comforted by the validation that &#039;the Wall Street Journal, US News &amp; World Report, The Montreal Gazette, Newsweek&#039; affords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so hard on the &#8216;leaders of our nascent little movement&#8217;.  While there is significant momentum in social media, there are still huge numbers of eyes on CNN &#8211; maybe even their parents.  While they may be famous at a Blogworld conference, it&#8217;s kind of fun to see that the rest of the world might just realize how &#8216;cool&#8217; they really are.</p>
<p>And for those considering stepping into this &#8216;new&#8217; space with more than a little trepidation, I think it&#8217;s fair to say they are comforted by the validation that &#8216;the Wall Street Journal, US News &amp; World Report, The Montreal Gazette, Newsweek&#8217; affords.</p>
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