Comments on: Personal Business, Business Personality, and Social Media: An Interview with Todd Carpenter, NAR http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss Conversations about the real estate industry, marketing, technology, and public policy Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:48:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jf.sellsius.theclozing http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-1396 jf.sellsius.theclozing Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:35:56 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-1396 Yes, of course, not all rules are laws-- but if you are advising folks on social media best practices and overlook (or do not know) the "legal rules", you make a critical mistake (IMO) that can cost that person, "speaking their own mind", dearly. BUT.... Nonetheless, your comment merely begs the question whether ALL the rules are the same for social media (online) as they are for cocktail party-like social interaction (offline). I pointed out that the legal rules are different (all laws are rules) and in the non-legal context, stand by my earlier comment: "For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules." BTW, my name is Joe, not Jeff. Yes, of course, not all rules are laws– but if you are advising folks on social media best practices and overlook (or do not know) the “legal rules”, you make a critical mistake (IMO) that can cost that person, “speaking their own mind”, dearly. BUT….

Nonetheless, your comment merely begs the question whether ALL the rules are the same for social media (online) as they are for cocktail party-like social interaction (offline). I pointed out that the legal rules are different (all laws are rules) and in the non-legal context, stand by my earlier comment:

“For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules.”

BTW, my name is Joe, not Jeff.

]]> By: jf.sellsius.theclozing http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-4454 jf.sellsius.theclozing Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:35:00 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-4454 Yes, of course, not all rules are laws-- but if you are advising folks on social media best practices and overlook (or do not know) the "legal rules", you make a critical mistake (IMO) that can cost that person, "speaking their own mind", dearly. BUT.... Nonetheless, your comment merely begs the question whether ALL the rules are the same for social media (online) as they are for cocktail party-like social interaction (offline). I pointed out that the legal rules are different (all laws are rules) and in the non-legal context, stand by my earlier comment: "For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules." BTW, my name is Joe, not Jeff. Yes, of course, not all rules are laws– but if you are advising folks on social media best practices and overlook (or do not know) the “legal rules”, you make a critical mistake (IMO) that can cost that person, “speaking their own mind”, dearly. BUT….

Nonetheless, your comment merely begs the question whether ALL the rules are the same for social media (online) as they are for cocktail party-like social interaction (offline). I pointed out that the legal rules are different (all laws are rules) and in the non-legal context, stand by my earlier comment:

“For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules.”

BTW, my name is Joe, not Jeff.

]]> By: Todd Carpenter http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-1395 Todd Carpenter Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:31:52 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-1395 Jeff, if you walk up to a broker at a cocktail party and call him a thief, you're still breaking the rules. Not all rules are laws. Jeff, if you walk up to a broker at a cocktail party and call him a thief, you’re still breaking the rules. Not all rules are laws.

]]> By: Todd Carpenter http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-4453 Todd Carpenter Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:31:00 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-4453 Jeff, if you walk up to a broker at a cocktail party and call him a thief, you're still breaking the rules. Not all rules are laws. Jeff, if you walk up to a broker at a cocktail party and call him a thief, you’re still breaking the rules. Not all rules are laws.

]]> By: jf.sellsius.theclozing http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-1394 jf.sellsius.theclozing Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:04:12 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-1394 Tell a broker face to face at a cocktail party, he is a thief (when he is not) and that is not defamation--- because it is within the rules. Do it on social media and you broke the rule -- publication to third parties (amplitude)-- see you in court. Sorry, dems the rules. Tell a broker face to face at a cocktail party, he is a thief (when he is not) and that is not defamation— because it is within the rules. Do it on social media and you broke the rule — publication to third parties (amplitude)– see you in court. Sorry, dems the rules.

]]> By: jf.sellsius.theclozing http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-4452 jf.sellsius.theclozing Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:04:00 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-4452 Tell a broker face to face at a cocktail party, he is a thief (when he is not) and that is not defamation--- because it is within the rules. Do it on social media and you broke the rule -- publication to third parties (amplitude)-- see you in court. Sorry, dems the rules. Tell a broker face to face at a cocktail party, he is a thief (when he is not) and that is not defamation— because it is within the rules. Do it on social media and you broke the rule — publication to third parties (amplitude)– see you in court. Sorry, dems the rules.

]]> By: Rob Hahn http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-1391 Rob Hahn Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:56:39 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-1391 I love the point about social media not really being a "cocktail party", but I still think Todd's point is valid. The key thing may not even be the whole "amplitude & permanence" deal -- as important as those are. The key thing, in my mind anyhow, is that social media <b>is media</b>. I disagreed with Ari Herzog on this point, and I haven't seen anything to change my mind. FaceBook is <i>media</i> just like the New York Times is. YouTube is <i>media</i> just like NBC or CNN. Twitter is <i>media</i> in much the same way that a Reuters feed of stock prices is media. So I see a lot of symbiosis between PR and social media, with each transforming the other. Best PR practices now are about authenticity, personality, and no-bullshit; and best social media practices are aware of the fact that what you are putting out to the Web is public relations or communications of sorts. It's almost like asking yourself, "If I were on a reality TV show, how would I act? What is private, and what is not? What does the viewer not get to see, and what does she get to see?" It's a tough question, and a tough line to draw. -rsh I love the point about social media not really being a “cocktail party”, but I still think Todd’s point is valid.

The key thing may not even be the whole “amplitude & permanence” deal — as important as those are. The key thing, in my mind anyhow, is that social media is media. I disagreed with Ari Herzog on this point, and I haven’t seen anything to change my mind.

FaceBook is media just like the New York Times is. YouTube is media just like NBC or CNN. Twitter is media in much the same way that a Reuters feed of stock prices is media.

So I see a lot of symbiosis between PR and social media, with each transforming the other. Best PR practices now are about authenticity, personality, and no-bullshit; and best social media practices are aware of the fact that what you are putting out to the Web is public relations or communications of sorts.

It’s almost like asking yourself, “If I were on a reality TV show, how would I act? What is private, and what is not? What does the viewer not get to see, and what does she get to see?”

It’s a tough question, and a tough line to draw.

-rsh

]]> By: Rob Hahn http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-4451 Rob Hahn Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:56:00 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-4451 I love the point about social media not really being a "cocktail party", but I still think Todd's point is valid. The key thing may not even be the whole "amplitude & permanence" deal -- as important as those are. The key thing, in my mind anyhow, is that social media <b>is media</b>. I disagreed with Ari Herzog on this point, and I haven't seen anything to change my mind. FaceBook is <i>media</i> just like the New York Times is. YouTube is <i>media</i> just like NBC or CNN. Twitter is <i>media</i> in much the same way that a Reuters feed of stock prices is media. So I see a lot of symbiosis between PR and social media, with each transforming the other. Best PR practices now are about authenticity, personality, and no-bullshit; and best social media practices are aware of the fact that what you are putting out to the Web is public relations or communications of sorts. It's almost like asking yourself, "If I were on a reality TV show, how would I act? What is private, and what is not? What does the viewer not get to see, and what does she get to see?" It's a tough question, and a tough line to draw. -rsh I love the point about social media not really being a “cocktail party”, but I still think Todd’s point is valid.

The key thing may not even be the whole “amplitude & permanence” deal — as important as those are. The key thing, in my mind anyhow, is that social media is media. I disagreed with Ari Herzog on this point, and I haven’t seen anything to change my mind.

FaceBook is media just like the New York Times is. YouTube is media just like NBC or CNN. Twitter is media in much the same way that a Reuters feed of stock prices is media.

So I see a lot of symbiosis between PR and social media, with each transforming the other. Best PR practices now are about authenticity, personality, and no-bullshit; and best social media practices are aware of the fact that what you are putting out to the Web is public relations or communications of sorts.

It’s almost like asking yourself, “If I were on a reality TV show, how would I act? What is private, and what is not? What does the viewer not get to see, and what does she get to see?”

It’s a tough question, and a tough line to draw.

-rsh

]]> By: jf.sellsius.theclozing http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-1376 jf.sellsius.theclozing Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:33:08 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-1376 Disagree. If the context (I wouldn't call it a game) is different, the rules should be different. And what are rules? If they are what you can and cannot do, or should not do, there is a huge difference. For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules. Disagree. If the context (I wouldn’t call it a game) is different, the rules should be different. And what are rules? If they are what you can and cannot do, or should not do, there is a huge difference.

For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules.

]]> By: jf.sellsius.theclozing http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/#comment-4450 jf.sellsius.theclozing Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:33:00 +0000 http://www.notorious-rob.com/?p=1242#comment-4450 Disagree. If the context (I wouldn't call it a game) is different, the rules should be different. And what are rules? If they are what you can and cannot do, or should not do, there is a huge difference. For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules. Disagree. If the context (I wouldn’t call it a game) is different, the rules should be different. And what are rules? If they are what you can and cannot do, or should not do, there is a huge difference.

For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules.

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