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	<title>Comments on: Personal Business, Business Personality, and Social Media: An Interview with Todd Carpenter, NAR</title>
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		<title>By: jf.sellsius.theclozing</title>
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		<dc:creator>jf.sellsius.theclozing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, of course, not all rules are laws-- but if you are advising folks on social media best practices and overlook (or do not know) the &quot;legal rules&quot;, you make a critical mistake (IMO) that can cost that person, &quot;speaking their own mind&quot;, dearly. BUT....

Nonetheless, your comment merely begs the question whether ALL the rules are the same for social media (online) as they are for cocktail party-like social interaction (offline). I pointed out that the legal rules are different (all laws are rules) and in the non-legal context, stand by my earlier comment:

&quot;For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules.&quot;

BTW, my name is Joe, not Jeff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, of course, not all rules are laws&#8211; but if you are advising folks on social media best practices and overlook (or do not know) the &#8220;legal rules&#8221;, you make a critical mistake (IMO) that can cost that person, &#8220;speaking their own mind&#8221;, dearly. BUT&#8230;.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, your comment merely begs the question whether ALL the rules are the same for social media (online) as they are for cocktail party-like social interaction (offline). I pointed out that the legal rules are different (all laws are rules) and in the non-legal context, stand by my earlier comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner. Different context, different rules.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW, my name is Joe, not Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, if you walk up to a broker at a cocktail party and call him a thief, you&#039;re still breaking the rules. Not all rules are laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, if you walk up to a broker at a cocktail party and call him a thief, you&#8217;re still breaking the rules. Not all rules are laws.</p>
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		<title>By: jf.sellsius.theclozing</title>
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		<dc:creator>jf.sellsius.theclozing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell a broker face to face at a cocktail party, he is a thief (when he is not) and that is not defamation--- because it is within the rules.  Do it on social media and you broke the rule -- publication to third parties (amplitude)-- see you in court. Sorry, dems the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell a broker face to face at a cocktail party, he is a thief (when he is not) and that is not defamation&#8212; because it is within the rules.  Do it on social media and you broke the rule &#8212; publication to third parties (amplitude)&#8211; see you in court. Sorry, dems the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the point about social media not really being a &quot;cocktail party&quot;, but I still think Todd&#039;s point is valid.

The key thing may not even be the whole &quot;amplitude &amp; permanence&quot; deal -- as important as those are.  The key thing, in my mind anyhow, is that social media &lt;b&gt;is media&lt;/b&gt;.  I disagreed with Ari Herzog on this point, and I haven&#039;t seen anything to change my mind.

FaceBook is &lt;i&gt;media&lt;/i&gt; just like the New York Times is.  YouTube is &lt;i&gt;media&lt;/i&gt; just like NBC or CNN.  Twitter is &lt;i&gt;media&lt;/i&gt; in much the same way that a Reuters feed of stock prices is media.

So I see a lot of symbiosis between PR and social media, with each transforming the other.  Best PR practices now are about authenticity, personality, and no-bullshit; and best social media practices are aware of the fact that what you are putting out to the Web is public relations or communications of sorts.

It&#039;s almost like asking yourself, &quot;If I were on a reality TV show, how would I act?  What is private, and what is not?  What does the viewer not get to see, and what does she get to see?&quot;

It&#039;s a tough question, and a tough line to draw.

-rsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the point about social media not really being a &#8220;cocktail party&#8221;, but I still think Todd&#8217;s point is valid.</p>
<p>The key thing may not even be the whole &#8220;amplitude &amp; permanence&#8221; deal &#8212; as important as those are.  The key thing, in my mind anyhow, is that social media <b>is media</b>.  I disagreed with Ari Herzog on this point, and I haven&#8217;t seen anything to change my mind.</p>
<p>FaceBook is <i>media</i> just like the New York Times is.  YouTube is <i>media</i> just like NBC or CNN.  Twitter is <i>media</i> in much the same way that a Reuters feed of stock prices is media.</p>
<p>So I see a lot of symbiosis between PR and social media, with each transforming the other.  Best PR practices now are about authenticity, personality, and no-bullshit; and best social media practices are aware of the fact that what you are putting out to the Web is public relations or communications of sorts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost like asking yourself, &#8220;If I were on a reality TV show, how would I act?  What is private, and what is not?  What does the viewer not get to see, and what does she get to see?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tough question, and a tough line to draw.</p>
<p>-rsh</p>
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		<title>By: jf.sellsius.theclozing</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree. If the context (I wouldn&#039;t call it a game) is different, the rules should be different. And what are rules?  If they are what you can and cannot do, or should not do, there is a huge difference.

For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner.  Different context, different rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree. If the context (I wouldn&#8217;t call it a game) is different, the rules should be different. And what are rules?  If they are what you can and cannot do, or should not do, there is a huge difference.</p>
<p>For example, if I have a conversation with a close friend(s)at a cocktail party, we can exchange confidences and very personal information. You would not do this on social media, even with your close friend, because of amplitude and permanence. Social media is not an intimate medium and I think we can agree that what the rules permit in an intimate context are not the same on a public street corner.  Different context, different rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/06/02/personal-business-business-personality-and-social-media-an-interview-with-todd-carpenter-nar/comment-page-1/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amplitude and permanence only change the stakes of the game, not the rules.</description>
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		<title>By: Social Media Creates the need for Real Personal Branding &#124; Paul McEwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Creates the need for Real Personal Branding &#124; Paul McEwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] accounts on social media networks. Some good recent posts on the subject can be found here and here. What’s worse in my opinion is they have one account and only write about their business  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] accounts on social media networks. Some good recent posts on the subject can be found here and here. What’s worse in my opinion is they have one account and only write about their business  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jf.sellsius.theclozing</title>
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		<dc:creator>jf.sellsius.theclozing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jay Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, I don’t recall a cocktail party where pictures of your past indiscretions are kept on the wall.&quot;

I had this buddy that lived in a Frat house near the UT campus, last I heard they still have pictures on the wall...

But that&#039;s really neither here nor there. Joe makes some &lt;b&gt;great&lt;/b&gt; points. I&#039;ve often used the &quot;cocktail party&quot; analogy, and while there are some similarities, what Joe points out is REALLY important. And it&#039;s something I&#039;ll remember in both my talks on social media/networking and in how I go about it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Again, I don’t recall a cocktail party where pictures of your past indiscretions are kept on the wall.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had this buddy that lived in a Frat house near the UT campus, last I heard they still have pictures on the wall&#8230;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s really neither here nor there. Joe makes some <b>great</b> points. I&#8217;ve often used the &#8220;cocktail party&#8221; analogy, and while there are some similarities, what Joe points out is REALLY important. And it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ll remember in both my talks on social media/networking and in how I go about it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: jf.sellsius.theclozing</title>
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		<dc:creator>jf.sellsius.theclozing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is such a thing as being too personal, which can cost you business, but each must draw that line for themselves, online and offline. Case closed. (But if you feel the need to interact with your particular fetish group online, you might want to set up a separate account.)

But I want to dispel the popular notion that social media is like a cocktail party. There are 2 big differences between offline and online interaction-- amplitude and permanence.  I shall pontificate, at your leave (huh?).  

At an IRL cocktail party, we cozy up to someone (or a small group) and start sharing. As we connect with THAT person or group, we open up more of ourselves. But there is not a microphone broadcasting our conversation to everyone else at the party, as well as those outside the party, thanks to Google. And even if there were eavesdroppers at the party, they are few-- those eavesdropping on social media/Google number in the potential millions. That ability to amplify is one distinguishing feature of social media.  That is unlike any cocktail party I&#039;ve ever attended. (Although at the Crazy Country Club in Brooklyn, they used to have microphones in the bathrooms, but that&#039;s another story.)

Also, the IRL cocktail party is transitory, it ends, and conversations vanish, like words writ on water. There is no permanent cocktail party record-- only a memory.  And memories fade-- most folks will forget you danced naked on the bar to Super Freak in a drunken haze.  Social media, on the other butt cheek, makes permanent your conversations, etching them in Google&#039;s cached memory.  That twitpic of your booty on the bar will be there in Google perpetuity.  Again, I don&#039;t recall a cocktail party where pictures of your past indiscretions are kept on the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is such a thing as being too personal, which can cost you business, but each must draw that line for themselves, online and offline. Case closed. (But if you feel the need to interact with your particular fetish group online, you might want to set up a separate account.)</p>
<p>But I want to dispel the popular notion that social media is like a cocktail party. There are 2 big differences between offline and online interaction&#8211; amplitude and permanence.  I shall pontificate, at your leave (huh?).  </p>
<p>At an IRL cocktail party, we cozy up to someone (or a small group) and start sharing. As we connect with THAT person or group, we open up more of ourselves. But there is not a microphone broadcasting our conversation to everyone else at the party, as well as those outside the party, thanks to Google. And even if there were eavesdroppers at the party, they are few&#8211; those eavesdropping on social media/Google number in the potential millions. That ability to amplify is one distinguishing feature of social media.  That is unlike any cocktail party I&#8217;ve ever attended. (Although at the Crazy Country Club in Brooklyn, they used to have microphones in the bathrooms, but that&#8217;s another story.)</p>
<p>Also, the IRL cocktail party is transitory, it ends, and conversations vanish, like words writ on water. There is no permanent cocktail party record&#8211; only a memory.  And memories fade&#8211; most folks will forget you danced naked on the bar to Super Freak in a drunken haze.  Social media, on the other butt cheek, makes permanent your conversations, etching them in Google&#8217;s cached memory.  That twitpic of your booty on the bar will be there in Google perpetuity.  Again, I don&#8217;t recall a cocktail party where pictures of your past indiscretions are kept on the wall.</p>
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