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		<title>By: The Power of Social Media</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/05/10/message-control-and-social-media/comment-page-2/#comment-1326</link>
		<dc:creator>The Power of Social Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Local Board of Realtors® Just Gave More Power To Zillow, Trulia, etc., Over It’s Own Members?  Message Control and Social Media Indianapolis Metropolitan Board of REALTORS®, (MIBOR) Rules Google is a “Scraper Site” 2920292 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cal Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/05/10/message-control-and-social-media/comment-page-2/#comment-1263</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I maintain that no one is really agitated with Todd, only with the policy that was being discussed.  

Thank goodness I don&#039;t have a position like Todd&#039;s, I am accustomed to participating in forums and offering &quot;my&quot; opinion and he has done the same over the years with his.  It must be very difficult to not be &quot;the committee&quot; or the &quot;association&quot; and also not be able to be &quot;yourself&quot;.  It has to be very frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I maintain that no one is really agitated with Todd, only with the policy that was being discussed.  </p>
<p>Thank goodness I don&#8217;t have a position like Todd&#8217;s, I am accustomed to participating in forums and offering &#8220;my&#8221; opinion and he has done the same over the years with his.  It must be very difficult to not be &#8220;the committee&#8221; or the &#8220;association&#8221; and also not be able to be &#8220;yourself&#8221;.  It has to be very frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Stigliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Stigliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 12:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd - Thanks for the explanation, I think we&#039;d all do well to read that.  I think that many of us saw you more as the link between &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot; in your new role...a new communication conduit.  Perhaps that&#039;s why people felt so passionately when talking to you.

I do think that your presence over at AG added a lot.  Things did get edgy at times, but in the end you being there was one of the best things that could have happened as there was that sort of communication.  You&#039;re in a tough position (in my opinion) as I&#039;ve stated before, but I do think overall things went well.

Will the outcome be as many agents wished?  Only time will tell that.  I hope so, if only to encourage people to get involved and work to make the changes they want in our association.  I for one have been encouraged by all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd &#8211; Thanks for the explanation, I think we&#8217;d all do well to read that.  I think that many of us saw you more as the link between &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221; in your new role&#8230;a new communication conduit.  Perhaps that&#8217;s why people felt so passionately when talking to you.</p>
<p>I do think that your presence over at AG added a lot.  Things did get edgy at times, but in the end you being there was one of the best things that could have happened as there was that sort of communication.  You&#8217;re in a tough position (in my opinion) as I&#8217;ve stated before, but I do think overall things went well.</p>
<p>Will the outcome be as many agents wished?  Only time will tell that.  I hope so, if only to encourage people to get involved and work to make the changes they want in our association.  I for one have been encouraged by all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/05/10/message-control-and-social-media/comment-page-2/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, my role as it applies to NAR&#039;s policies is to train members of our staff, leadership, committees, and associations to communicate through social media. In the future, if the same sort of issue came up, and people at MIBOR or NAR (besides me) were the ones participating in the conversation, then I will have accomplished one of my goals here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, my role as it applies to NAR&#8217;s policies is to train members of our staff, leadership, committees, and associations to communicate through social media. In the future, if the same sort of issue came up, and people at MIBOR or NAR (besides me) were the ones participating in the conversation, then I will have accomplished one of my goals here.</p>
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		<title>By: A Contrarian View on the MIBOR Anti-Indexing Issue &#124; Notorious R.O.B. - Conversations on Marketing, Technology, Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Contrarian View on the MIBOR Anti-Indexing Issue &#124; Notorious R.O.B. - Conversations on Marketing, Technology, Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jay Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/05/10/message-control-and-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Good job Todd and Hilary! I kinda like them, but I am not a Realtor with an IDX feed either&quot;

Well I am a Realtor with an IDX feed and I don&#039;t just kinda like Hilary and Todd. I *really* like them. I&#039;ve met then both, we&#039;ve had dinner together, and they are both wicked smart, and very cool individuals. No question in my mind that they want nothing but the best for NAR members.

The issue as I see it is the NAR is a big, bloated, lumbering bureaucracy. Reminds me *exactly* of my 20+ years in Fortune 100 Corporate America. 

And that&#039;s why it&#039;s frustrating. 

But it&#039;s certainly not Todd or Hilary&#039;s fault. Nor any other individual at the NAR (or state/local association).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good job Todd and Hilary! I kinda like them, but I am not a Realtor with an IDX feed either&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I am a Realtor with an IDX feed and I don&#8217;t just kinda like Hilary and Todd. I *really* like them. I&#8217;ve met then both, we&#8217;ve had dinner together, and they are both wicked smart, and very cool individuals. No question in my mind that they want nothing but the best for NAR members.</p>
<p>The issue as I see it is the NAR is a big, bloated, lumbering bureaucracy. Reminds me *exactly* of my 20+ years in Fortune 100 Corporate America. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s frustrating. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s certainly not Todd or Hilary&#8217;s fault. Nor any other individual at the NAR (or state/local association).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Stigliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Stigliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, there was a lot to digest (once again) in both the post and the comments.  I love it.  In my post on AgentGenius I focused on the fact that I think that this is a test of sorts.  Does social media work?  Todd&#039;s quick reaction to the events and talking about it brought with it a lot of arguments one way or the other.  I mentioned in my post that I felt Todd will always be a bit of the &quot;whipping boy&quot; for the real estate social media circles.  I guess I could have chosen my words better, but my intent was to talk about the fact that Todd is both &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot; and with that, he becomes both &quot;friend&quot; and &quot;foe.&quot;  Now of course, I don&#039;t think anyone considers him a foe, but much like Rob mentions, the us vs. them mentality exists.

Todd talks about egging commentors on to do something about it and I have to say that in my case, it worked.  I did something I hadn&#039;t done before.  I voiced my opinion direct to NAR and the committee members.  So far Cliff&#039;s the only one to respond, but hopefully my state&#039;s committee members got the message too.

I do wonder though (based on Todd&#039;s comments at AG on this post), what you (Todd) see your role as?  I&#039;m sure they&#039;ve given you some sort of job description, but I&#039;m curious as to how NAR has laid it out and what you feel your personal obligations are in this new role.  I applaud the effort of NAR to engage and I hope it continues, grows, and evolves over time.  I&#039;m not questioning you in order to argue, I&#039;m simply questioning to better understand it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, there was a lot to digest (once again) in both the post and the comments.  I love it.  In my post on AgentGenius I focused on the fact that I think that this is a test of sorts.  Does social media work?  Todd&#8217;s quick reaction to the events and talking about it brought with it a lot of arguments one way or the other.  I mentioned in my post that I felt Todd will always be a bit of the &#8220;whipping boy&#8221; for the real estate social media circles.  I guess I could have chosen my words better, but my intent was to talk about the fact that Todd is both &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221; and with that, he becomes both &#8220;friend&#8221; and &#8220;foe.&#8221;  Now of course, I don&#8217;t think anyone considers him a foe, but much like Rob mentions, the us vs. them mentality exists.</p>
<p>Todd talks about egging commentors on to do something about it and I have to say that in my case, it worked.  I did something I hadn&#8217;t done before.  I voiced my opinion direct to NAR and the committee members.  So far Cliff&#8217;s the only one to respond, but hopefully my state&#8217;s committee members got the message too.</p>
<p>I do wonder though (based on Todd&#8217;s comments at AG on this post), what you (Todd) see your role as?  I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ve given you some sort of job description, but I&#8217;m curious as to how NAR has laid it out and what you feel your personal obligations are in this new role.  I applaud the effort of NAR to engage and I hope it continues, grows, and evolves over time.  I&#8217;m not questioning you in order to argue, I&#8217;m simply questioning to better understand it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula, 

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;halted from the top&quot;. I did not ask permission to engage in that AG thread. I wasn&#039;t told to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;halted from the top&#8221;. I did not ask permission to engage in that AG thread. I wasn&#8217;t told to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way the mindset is going to change is with leadership change. 

Instead of just barking up the tree, climb it.  

I see so many complaining about NAR this, NAR that...  At least Todd grasped an opportunity to do something about it.  Now we need others who are knowledgable and technologically efficient, to start climbing the actual REALTOR(R) ladder and entering into Leadership.

I have issues myself with those in elected positions, who are supposed to be running the ship (not the staff!), who can&#039;t even Tweet or have a Facebook page, and some have difficulties sending e-mails without assistance apparently too.  This is isn&#039;t JUST a NAR issue, but an industry issue on state &amp; local levels too. 

We need to show the true power of social media, and make sure we campaign for the &quot;new guard&quot; who do possess these skills. That is the only way things are really gonna change.  You can yell from the internet all you want, but until we decide to really get in the trenches, you might as well be yelling in an empty forest. Those that you are addressing can&#039;t hear you! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way the mindset is going to change is with leadership change. </p>
<p>Instead of just barking up the tree, climb it.  </p>
<p>I see so many complaining about NAR this, NAR that&#8230;  At least Todd grasped an opportunity to do something about it.  Now we need others who are knowledgable and technologically efficient, to start climbing the actual REALTOR(R) ladder and entering into Leadership.</p>
<p>I have issues myself with those in elected positions, who are supposed to be running the ship (not the staff!), who can&#8217;t even Tweet or have a Facebook page, and some have difficulties sending e-mails without assistance apparently too.  This is isn&#8217;t JUST a NAR issue, but an industry issue on state &amp; local levels too. </p>
<p>We need to show the true power of social media, and make sure we campaign for the &#8220;new guard&#8221; who do possess these skills. That is the only way things are really gonna change.  You can yell from the internet all you want, but until we decide to really get in the trenches, you might as well be yelling in an empty forest. Those that you are addressing can&#8217;t hear you! <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2009/05/10/message-control-and-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In other words, it wasn’t that a NAR staffperson mixed the personal and the official, it’s that YOU delivered the official statement that I think was the mistake.&quot;

I agree. But again, I was teaching. Leading by example. This is what you should do. I think we&#039;ll be there eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In other words, it wasn’t that a NAR staffperson mixed the personal and the official, it’s that YOU delivered the official statement that I think was the mistake.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. But again, I was teaching. Leading by example. This is what you should do. I think we&#8217;ll be there eventually.</p>
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