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		<title>By: European Model May Point to Future of U.S. Real Estate &#124; The WAV Group</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-5544</link>
		<dc:creator>European Model May Point to Future of U.S. Real Estate &#124; The WAV Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 19:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as tying in nicely with some of the observations made on Michael Wurzers blog, a related post by Rob Hahn and also Danilo Bagdanovic’s post. By all means read all of these posts and those they reference [...]</description>
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		<title>By: -Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>-Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tony -

Thank you for the comment.  As it happens, I completely agree with your analysis of the situation.  Given consumer behavior, holding a top ten SERPS ranking in Google for major key phrases, like &quot;Las Vegas Real Estate&quot; is probably worth more than the brand or brokerage company.  And as it happens, I completely agree that those agents who hold such rankings can easily move their license to any broker and do just fine.  Finally, I agree with you that the reason why major real estate firms went bust was because they failed to invest in the Internet.

I think the only place where I differ with you (and a vast number of really smart, knowledgeable realestistas) is what happens going forward.  You and many others believe that the Old Dinosaurs are on their way out, driven to extinction by nimbler, smarter, more tech-savvy upstarts, like Redfin.  That may very well happen.

I just believe that the Old Dinosaurs aren&#039;t quite as old, nor are they quite as doomed for extinction.  I rather think of many of them as sleeping giants who haven&#039;t woken up just yet... but this market will force many of them to do some serious soul-searching, and serious strategizing for how they stay alive.  Many of them will come to the correct conclusions about where to shift their investment.  And when they do, they have the resources to make it work in ways that a venture-backed firm that is still burning investor capital does not.

True, many of them will fail to wake up, and still others will fail to execute properly, and they will be phased out.  Creative destruction has ever been the way of the capitalist economy.  But to write off all big brokerages is, I think, a bit premature.  The next few years will be very, very telling.

-rsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony -</p>
<p>Thank you for the comment.  As it happens, I completely agree with your analysis of the situation.  Given consumer behavior, holding a top ten SERPS ranking in Google for major key phrases, like &#8220;Las Vegas Real Estate&#8221; is probably worth more than the brand or brokerage company.  And as it happens, I completely agree that those agents who hold such rankings can easily move their license to any broker and do just fine.  Finally, I agree with you that the reason why major real estate firms went bust was because they failed to invest in the Internet.</p>
<p>I think the only place where I differ with you (and a vast number of really smart, knowledgeable realestistas) is what happens going forward.  You and many others believe that the Old Dinosaurs are on their way out, driven to extinction by nimbler, smarter, more tech-savvy upstarts, like Redfin.  That may very well happen.</p>
<p>I just believe that the Old Dinosaurs aren&#8217;t quite as old, nor are they quite as doomed for extinction.  I rather think of many of them as sleeping giants who haven&#8217;t woken up just yet&#8230; but this market will force many of them to do some serious soul-searching, and serious strategizing for how they stay alive.  Many of them will come to the correct conclusions about where to shift their investment.  And when they do, they have the resources to make it work in ways that a venture-backed firm that is still burning investor capital does not.</p>
<p>True, many of them will fail to wake up, and still others will fail to execute properly, and they will be phased out.  Creative destruction has ever been the way of the capitalist economy.  But to write off all big brokerages is, I think, a bit premature.  The next few years will be very, very telling.</p>
<p>-rsh</p>
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		<title>By: -Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-4875</link>
		<dc:creator>-Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tony -

Thank you for the comment.  As it happens, I completely agree with your analysis of the situation.  Given consumer behavior, holding a top ten SERPS ranking in Google for major key phrases, like &quot;Las Vegas Real Estate&quot; is probably worth more than the brand or brokerage company.  And as it happens, I completely agree that those agents who hold such rankings can easily move their license to any broker and do just fine.  Finally, I agree with you that the reason why major real estate firms went bust was because they failed to invest in the Internet.

I think the only place where I differ with you (and a vast number of really smart, knowledgeable realestistas) is what happens going forward.  You and many others believe that the Old Dinosaurs are on their way out, driven to extinction by nimbler, smarter, more tech-savvy upstarts, like Redfin.  That may very well happen.

I just believe that the Old Dinosaurs aren&#039;t quite as old, nor are they quite as doomed for extinction.  I rather think of many of them as sleeping giants who haven&#039;t woken up just yet... but this market will force many of them to do some serious soul-searching, and serious strategizing for how they stay alive.  Many of them will come to the correct conclusions about where to shift their investment.  And when they do, they have the resources to make it work in ways that a venture-backed firm that is still burning investor capital does not.

True, many of them will fail to wake up, and still others will fail to execute properly, and they will be phased out.  Creative destruction has ever been the way of the capitalist economy.  But to write off all big brokerages is, I think, a bit premature.  The next few years will be very, very telling.

-rsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony -</p>
<p>Thank you for the comment.  As it happens, I completely agree with your analysis of the situation.  Given consumer behavior, holding a top ten SERPS ranking in Google for major key phrases, like &#8220;Las Vegas Real Estate&#8221; is probably worth more than the brand or brokerage company.  And as it happens, I completely agree that those agents who hold such rankings can easily move their license to any broker and do just fine.  Finally, I agree with you that the reason why major real estate firms went bust was because they failed to invest in the Internet.</p>
<p>I think the only place where I differ with you (and a vast number of really smart, knowledgeable realestistas) is what happens going forward.  You and many others believe that the Old Dinosaurs are on their way out, driven to extinction by nimbler, smarter, more tech-savvy upstarts, like Redfin.  That may very well happen.</p>
<p>I just believe that the Old Dinosaurs aren&#8217;t quite as old, nor are they quite as doomed for extinction.  I rather think of many of them as sleeping giants who haven&#8217;t woken up just yet&#8230; but this market will force many of them to do some serious soul-searching, and serious strategizing for how they stay alive.  Many of them will come to the correct conclusions about where to shift their investment.  And when they do, they have the resources to make it work in ways that a venture-backed firm that is still burning investor capital does not.</p>
<p>True, many of them will fail to wake up, and still others will fail to execute properly, and they will be phased out.  Creative destruction has ever been the way of the capitalist economy.  But to write off all big brokerages is, I think, a bit premature.  The next few years will be very, very telling.</p>
<p>-rsh</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Sena</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Sena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree we are moving towards a web-centric model but I don&#039;t see many major brands leading the way into this spectrum.  If you search Google or Yahoo for phrases consumers search, like, Las Vegas Real Estate, you don&#039;t see any major brand in the top 10.  You see Realtor.com, Yahoo and individual real estate agents holding these valuable top 10 positions.

If you ask me, these agents that hold these top positions are more valuable than the company they hang their license with.  These agents are providing free branding for their firm and because of their positions in the search engines, they have a large reach.  These agents could easily move to another firm very easily without it affecting their business.

Major real estate firms in Las Vegas went out of business or filed bankruptcy this year even though just a few years ago they were bringing in millions of dollars.  Their mistake was not investing in the Internet.  This is why will begin to see new firms emerging like Redfin that will become a &quot;Brand Name&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree we are moving towards a web-centric model but I don&#8217;t see many major brands leading the way into this spectrum.  If you search Google or Yahoo for phrases consumers search, like, Las Vegas Real Estate, you don&#8217;t see any major brand in the top 10.  You see Realtor.com, Yahoo and individual real estate agents holding these valuable top 10 positions.</p>
<p>If you ask me, these agents that hold these top positions are more valuable than the company they hang their license with.  These agents are providing free branding for their firm and because of their positions in the search engines, they have a large reach.  These agents could easily move to another firm very easily without it affecting their business.</p>
<p>Major real estate firms in Las Vegas went out of business or filed bankruptcy this year even though just a few years ago they were bringing in millions of dollars.  Their mistake was not investing in the Internet.  This is why will begin to see new firms emerging like Redfin that will become a &#8220;Brand Name&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Sena</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-4874</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Sena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree we are moving towards a web-centric model but I don&#039;t see many major brands leading the way into this spectrum.  If you search Google or Yahoo for phrases consumers search, like, Las Vegas Real Estate, you don&#039;t see any major brand in the top 10.  You see Realtor.com, Yahoo and individual real estate agents holding these valuable top 10 positions.

If you ask me, these agents that hold these top positions are more valuable than the company they hang their license with.  These agents are providing free branding for their firm and because of their positions in the search engines, they have a large reach.  These agents could easily move to another firm very easily without it affecting their business.

Major real estate firms in Las Vegas went out of business or filed bankruptcy this year even though just a few years ago they were bringing in millions of dollars.  Their mistake was not investing in the Internet.  This is why will begin to see new firms emerging like Redfin that will become a &quot;Brand Name&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree we are moving towards a web-centric model but I don&#8217;t see many major brands leading the way into this spectrum.  If you search Google or Yahoo for phrases consumers search, like, Las Vegas Real Estate, you don&#8217;t see any major brand in the top 10.  You see Realtor.com, Yahoo and individual real estate agents holding these valuable top 10 positions.</p>
<p>If you ask me, these agents that hold these top positions are more valuable than the company they hang their license with.  These agents are providing free branding for their firm and because of their positions in the search engines, they have a large reach.  These agents could easily move to another firm very easily without it affecting their business.</p>
<p>Major real estate firms in Las Vegas went out of business or filed bankruptcy this year even though just a few years ago they were bringing in millions of dollars.  Their mistake was not investing in the Internet.  This is why will begin to see new firms emerging like Redfin that will become a &#8220;Brand Name&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Challenge: From 3% to 10% &#171; The Notorious R.O.B.</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>The Challenge: From 3% to 10% &#171; The Notorious R.O.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment &#187;  In the comments of this post, I wrote that THE challenge facing real estate is how brokers move from 3% profit margins to 10% [...]</description>
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		<title>By: -Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>-Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Russell - Thanks for your kind words, Russell.  I&#039;m looking forward to seeing your follow-up. :)

@Alan -

I think commercial is a totally different beast from residential, so I agree with you 100%.  I just can&#039;t imagine a &quot;desk-fee&quot; approach working there; even the Sperry Van Ness model isn&#039;t strictly a &quot;desk-fee&quot; model, after all, because once it&#039;s all said and done, the agents need so much support that you might as well pay a percentage of commission.

Plus, it is my sense that CRE tends to hold client relationships at the corporate level far better than residential does.  I have no proof of that, of course, but CRE really strikes me as being similar to investment banking or law than residential (for now).

-rsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Russell &#8211; Thanks for your kind words, Russell.  I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing your follow-up. <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Alan -</p>
<p>I think commercial is a totally different beast from residential, so I agree with you 100%.  I just can&#8217;t imagine a &#8220;desk-fee&#8221; approach working there; even the Sperry Van Ness model isn&#8217;t strictly a &#8220;desk-fee&#8221; model, after all, because once it&#8217;s all said and done, the agents need so much support that you might as well pay a percentage of commission.</p>
<p>Plus, it is my sense that CRE tends to hold client relationships at the corporate level far better than residential does.  I have no proof of that, of course, but CRE really strikes me as being similar to investment banking or law than residential (for now).</p>
<p>-rsh</p>
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		<title>By: -Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-4867</link>
		<dc:creator>-Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Russell - Thanks for your kind words, Russell.  I&#039;m looking forward to seeing your follow-up. :)

@Alan -

I think commercial is a totally different beast from residential, so I agree with you 100%.  I just can&#039;t imagine a &quot;desk-fee&quot; approach working there; even the Sperry Van Ness model isn&#039;t strictly a &quot;desk-fee&quot; model, after all, because once it&#039;s all said and done, the agents need so much support that you might as well pay a percentage of commission.

Plus, it is my sense that CRE tends to hold client relationships at the corporate level far better than residential does.  I have no proof of that, of course, but CRE really strikes me as being similar to investment banking or law than residential (for now).

-rsh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Russell &#8211; Thanks for your kind words, Russell.  I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing your follow-up. <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Alan -</p>
<p>I think commercial is a totally different beast from residential, so I agree with you 100%.  I just can&#8217;t imagine a &#8220;desk-fee&#8221; approach working there; even the Sperry Van Ness model isn&#8217;t strictly a &#8220;desk-fee&#8221; model, after all, because once it&#8217;s all said and done, the agents need so much support that you might as well pay a percentage of commission.</p>
<p>Plus, it is my sense that CRE tends to hold client relationships at the corporate level far better than residential does.  I have no proof of that, of course, but CRE really strikes me as being similar to investment banking or law than residential (for now).</p>
<p>-rsh</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Rob.  I am humbled by your response.  As a point that I missed fleshing out but need to respond to via an actual post, that I won&#039;t be able to get to tonight - the 100% brokers (who are the largest as far as agents) are not the &quot;name&quot; companies.  Phoenix was the birthplace of the 100% company and to see how it has evolved here is my take on the future of the 100% concept elsewhere.

One truly significant point that I have never seen written anywhere is this: the big 100% companies like Re/Max and Keller Williams charge the agents LESS here in Phoenix than they do anyplace else.  For obvious reasons this does not get promoted by them.
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Rob.  I am humbled by your response.  As a point that I missed fleshing out but need to respond to via an actual post, that I won&#8217;t be able to get to tonight &#8211; the 100% brokers (who are the largest as far as agents) are not the &#8220;name&#8221; companies.  Phoenix was the birthplace of the 100% company and to see how it has evolved here is my take on the future of the 100% concept elsewhere.</p>
<p>One truly significant point that I have never seen written anywhere is this: the big 100% companies like Re/Max and Keller Williams charge the agents LESS here in Phoenix than they do anyplace else.  For obvious reasons this does not get promoted by them. <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Russell Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.notorious-rob.com/2008/12/12/the-900-lb-gorilla-cometh/#comment-4871</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Rob.  I am humbled by your response.  As a point that I missed fleshing out but need to respond to via an actual post, that I won&#039;t be able to get to tonight - the 100% brokers (who are the largest as far as agents) are not the &quot;name&quot; companies.  Phoenix was the birthplace of the 100% company and to see how it has evolved here is my take on the future of the 100% concept elsewhere.

One truly significant point that I have never seen written anywhere is this: the big 100% companies like Re/Max and Keller Williams charge the agents LESS here in Phoenix than they do anyplace else.  For obvious reasons this does not get promoted by them.
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Rob.  I am humbled by your response.  As a point that I missed fleshing out but need to respond to via an actual post, that I won&#8217;t be able to get to tonight &#8211; the 100% brokers (who are the largest as far as agents) are not the &#8220;name&#8221; companies.  Phoenix was the birthplace of the 100% company and to see how it has evolved here is my take on the future of the 100% concept elsewhere.</p>
<p>One truly significant point that I have never seen written anywhere is this: the big 100% companies like Re/Max and Keller Williams charge the agents LESS here in Phoenix than they do anyplace else.  For obvious reasons this does not get promoted by them. <img src='http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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